Flash burn - dogs?

[Tom Zachman]

I was welding in a yard where a dog was being kept and didn't know if the
dog would watch so I chained it out of sight of the work, but I have been
pondering that situation all day... I was alone so I just removed the dog
from view.....

Does anyone know if a dog's instinct will keep it from watching?
Comments?




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[Jeff Dantzler]

Post by Tom Zachman
I was welding in a yard where a dog was being kept and didn't know if the
dog would watch so I chained it out of sight of the work, but I have been
pondering that situation all day... I was alone so I just removed the dog
from view.....
Does anyone know if a dog's instinct will keep it from watching?
Comments?

I wouldn't count on it. They may be man's best friend, but on a good day,
they're not much smarter than a 2-year old.

Screens are fairly cheap. Even a painter's canvas dropcloth on a 3/4" EMT
frame would solve this problem. The chain worked too...

JLD

[kenny]

When I was welding my dog was more than 40 ft or more away and it was obstacles in between us so he didn't get direct light but I still think he has flash burn what's this what would a safe distance to keep him away would be and how can I tell for sure that he has it is his eyes look funn

[Snag]

Post by kenny
When I was welding my dog was more than 40 ft or more away and it was
obstacles in between us so he didn't get direct light but I still think
he has flash burn what's this what would a safe distance to keep him
away would be and how can I tell for sure that he has it is his eyes
look funny

I put my dog in the house where there's NO chance he can watch the arc .
I consider anything less to be animal abuse .

[Abandoned_Trolley]

Post by Snag
I put my dog in the house where there's NO chance he can watch the arc .
I consider anything less to be animal abuse .

"When I was welding my dog" sounds like animal abuse as well :-\

[Snag]

Post by Abandoned_Trolley

Post by Snag
I put my dog in the house where there's NO chance he can watch the arc
. I consider anything less to be animal abuse .

"When I was welding my dog" sounds like animal abuse as well :-\

What a difference a comma can make - Let's eat , Grandma ! has a
totally different meaning if you leave it out ... Let's eat grandma !

[Jim Wilkins]

Post by Abandoned_Trolley

Post by Snag
I put my dog in the house where there's NO chance he can watch the arc .
I consider anything less to be animal abuse .

"When I was welding my dog" sounds like animal abuse as well :-\

What a difference a comma can make - Let's eat , Grandma ! has a
totally different meaning if you leave it out ... Let's eat grandma !
--
Snag
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[Eide]

Have you ever seen a dog staring at the sun? If it doesn't involve food I
think the dog would loose interest real quick.

Just my two cents...

Eide

Post by Tom Zachman
I was welding in a yard where a dog was being kept and didn't know if the
dog would watch so I chained it out of sight of the work, but I have been
pondering that situation all day... I was alone so I just removed the dog
from view.....
Does anyone know if a dog's instinct will keep it from watching?
Comments?
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[Rick Barter]

Post by Eide
Have you ever seen a dog staring at the sun? If it doesn't involve food I
think the dog would loose interest real quick.
Just my two cents...
Eide

I must agree. My dogs look at me for about 2 seconds. If I'm not
passing out dog cookies, they're off laying in the sun fast asleep.
That gives me an idea. He could just put a container of dog treats
180 degrees behind where he's welding. The dog will look at the
treats and keep his back turned to the flash. :)

rvb

[RoyJ]

Mine is not interested in anything I do in the shop. As soon as any
machine fires up he is GONE! Quieter stuff like the computer and he
just curls up behind me and tunes out.

Post by Tom Zachman
I was welding in a yard where a dog was being kept and didn't know if the
dog would watch so I chained it out of sight of the work, but I have been
pondering that situation all day... I was alone so I just removed the dog
from view.....
Does anyone know if a dog's instinct will keep it from watching?
Comments?
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[Scott]

What a funny post. Honest and concerned, yet funny.

I like the dog bone idea best. You might have problems though if you are
taking advice from another post and are trying to roast hot dogs on your
electodes. :)

Scott

Post by Tom Zachman
I was welding in a yard where a dog was being kept and didn't know if the
dog would watch so I chained it out of sight of the work, but I have been
pondering that situation all day... I was alone so I just removed the dog
from view.....
Does anyone know if a dog's instinct will keep it from watching?
Comments?
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[Rick Barter]

Post by Scott
What a funny post. Honest and concerned, yet funny.
I like the dog bone idea best. You might have problems though if you are
taking advice from another post and are trying to roast hot dogs on your
electodes. :)
Scott

I have to agree. Either way a dog is going to get burned I think. :)

rvb

[Doug]

Post by Tom Zachman
I was welding in a yard where a dog was being kept and didn't know if the
dog would watch so I chained it out of sight of the work, but I have been
pondering that situation all day... I was alone so I just removed the
dog from view.....
Does anyone know if a dog's instinct will keep it from watching?
Comments?

I can picture a dog setting there and watching you weld. I'd be more afraid
the dog would come over after you finished welding ,step on something hot
and burn his feet.

[Gary Coffman]

Post by Tom Zachman
I was welding in a yard where a dog was being kept and didn't know if the
dog would watch so I chained it out of sight of the work, but I have been
pondering that situation all day... I was alone so I just removed the dog
from view.....
Does anyone know if a dog's instinct will keep it from watching?
Comments?

UV doesn't hurt when it is creating the flash burn. The pain only
comes later, usually the next day, after the damage is done. The
animal, or a small child, is unlikely to associate the two events.
So they won't automatically learn to avoid the arc.

Note that UV is invisible, so the normal instinctive mechanisms
of pupil contraction and blinking aren't invoked.

The arc is bright in the visible spectrum too, but not so bright that
it is painful to look at from a reasonable distance (*not* welding
distance, of course, but say 10 feet or more). So there is no instinctive
reaction to blink or look away. You still can get a UV burn from it at
the greater distance though. Beyond about 100 feet, the oxygen
in the air attenuates the shortwave UV enough to prevent a burn
from short casual exposures to normal welding arc intensities.

You need to make arrangements so that animals, young children,
and fool adults don't have the opportunity to stare at the arc at
distances less than about 100 feet. Much beyond that, you don't
have to worry if they happen to glance at the arc, the UV will be
attenuated enough to prevent flash burns.

Gary

[Paul Calman]

Safer to block the glare.

Dogs have a unique perspective of things. If you can't eat it, f**k it, or
tear it up, piss on it.

[Rick Barter]

Post by Paul Calman
Safer to block the glare.
Dogs have a unique perspective of things. If you can't eat it, f**k it, or
tear it up, piss on it.

Hahahaha. Words to live by! I often wish I was more like my dogs. :)

rvb

[Ted Edwards]

Post by Paul Calman
Dogs have a unique perspective of things. If you can't eat it, f**k it, or
tear it up, piss on it.

If you have a Border Collie, "herd it" is at the top of the list. We
often have visitors with a lot of kids. Our dog knows where every one
is at all times or we hear about it.

Ted

[Ted Edwards]

Most animals, including cats and dogs, have much less "built in" UV
protection than humans (who don't have all that much). My dog likes to
be in the shop but is expelled during welding and plasma cutting.

Ted

[Eide]

Really? Why is it that my dog can look up at me on a bright, sunny day, with
the sun behind me without squinting at all? I understand their pupils have a
far bigger range than ours, but . . .

Eide

the above may sound sarcastic, but it is not intended.

Post by Ted Edwards
Most animals, including cats and dogs, have much less "built in" UV
protection than humans (who don't have all that much). My dog likes to
be in the shop but is expelled during welding and plasma cutting.
Ted

[Bill Griffin]

Get him a pair of Doggles.
http://www.helmetharbor.com/touring/doggles/opening.htm

[Eide]

That's great! I think my hamster needs some too.

Post by Bill Griffin
Get him a pair of Doggles.
http://www.helmetharbor.com/touring/doggles/opening.htm

[John J Ernst]

Would the doogles auto darkening, or do you have to teach Rover to lower the
shield like a pro? If I know my dogs, which both have their on
personality's, Boscoe will want to make sure that everything is going all
right and be right in the midst of the job, so he would want auto darkening
doogles. Now Elvis P, now there is a totally deferent story. He has a lot of
places to go and check on, and be the supervisor of. So I'm pretty sure that
he would just want the hand held shield version, well it would have to be
converted to one that he would hold in his mouth, being as dogs don't have
any thumbs. Never ends to frustrate Boscoe not having any thumbs. You ever
try to run a bead with a wire welder with no thumbs? Poor ole Boscoe Bear
howls through the night in utter anguish of not being able to run a decent
weld. All because evolution let hem with no thumbs.

"One out of four people in the U.S. of A. suffer from being mentally
unbalanced. The next time you are with three people, and they look and act
normal; Guess who is the one that might be two tacos short of a combo
plate?"

John Ernst

Post by Bill Griffin
Get him a pair of Doggles.
http://www.helmetharbor.com/touring/doggles/opening.htm

[Ted Edwards]

Post by Eide
Really? Why is it that my dog can look up at me on a bright, sunny day, with
the sun behind me without squinting at all? I understand their pupils have a
far bigger range than ours, but . . .

Welding produces a lot of short wavelength UV. So does the sun but the
ozone layer absorbs a lot of it. Animal eyes (including ours) are quite
well adapted to dealing with the sun but not welding. Also, short lived
animals have less adaptation to dealing with UV. Since damage from UV
tends to be cumulative, less protection is acceptable from an
evolutionary standpoint.

Ted